brettdoesdiscourse:

91vaults:

as much as I bitch and moan about AI I will be honest that the debate of who “created” with it is murky. to me

In a way is physically doing the thing the only expression is creativity? I don’t know, because there is a line i suppose. I’m not sure where it falls in digital art cause most of the productivity tools don’t cross it to me. If you take the route of murky art definitions you could possibly say it lacks a style unique to the person, even if it is bland and unremarkable, im ambivalent on that one.

I do believe there is a quality to “traditional” art and the process of creation that can’t really be described. That doesn’t translate to “prompting”

the fact is weather one considered a it “art or not” the ultimate discomfort is…it destroys a whole way of doing things on a way that has no precedent. It removes a whole way of doing things. It removes actors entirely. it reduces writers to clean up editors.

It is true that art has always been shaken up by changes both technical and societal. But these transitions flow into each other. A landscape artist can try their hand at photography, a sculpture or comic book artist can do 3d modeling and in the latter case use it for backgrounds. a visual artist can try their hand at highly styleised or abstract art

AI at its purest form reduces it to one thing . one way of doing it, perfect the prompt, refine back and fourth l.

the true discomfort lies in a simple fact “we are visual artists, we are not word smiths, we are not programmers” i can concede that the use of AI in a work can lie on a gradient. But boiled down it is akin more to programming. is it art? did the person create it? i don’t know and i don’t much care. These questions are arbitrary

I think the strongest argument against AI art is that it couldn’t exist without the existing work of all artists before it. Work which was aquiered under dubious circumstances, This has some legal standing and even if this legal battle is lost no one can argue it is a problem of ethics and a problem of something intangible that is lost.

Let’s use coffee as an example here.

Let’s say you decide to make coffee at home by putting instant coffee in a pot and brewing it. You made coffee in this scenario.

Let’s say you harvest your own beans, crush them up, and then make coffee. You made coffee in this scenario.

Let’s say you go to a coffeeshop and order a coffee. You did not make coffee in this scenario.

Let’s say you go to coffeeshop, tell the barista all the details of how you want the coffee. They then pour a little bit of coffee other people made into your cup until you’re satisfied with the result. You did not make coffee and neither did the barista.