i.. didnt say anything about censorship? the art might have the right to exist, but i also have the right to think its creators (and anyone who supports them) are disgusting people.for example:there’s a game on steam called Furry Hitler. 50% nazi sympathy and 50% furry porn. i’m hoping i don’t have to explain the problem with this, or at the bare minimum the problem with profiting off of it.steam is chock full of disgusting games like this, so it’s unlikely to get taken down. i can’t censor it because i’m not steam.however, i think its creators are disgusting people exploiting a real genocide for a furry porn game, and anyone who supports the game or its creators are not people i want to be friendly with.i can both be anti-harassment/anti-censorship and think there are some things you just shouldn’t post and refuse to support creators or their supporters of that content.
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Here’s the thing, anon, you and I disagree in a pretty fundamental way.
First I’ll address what you say about censorship. You specifically mention:
“steam is chock full of disgusting games like this, so it’s unlikely to get taken down. i can’t censor it because i’m not steam.”
That makes it sound like if you personally were in a position of power to remove this game, you would do it.
That’s pretty pro-censorship, and you say explicitly that it’s your disgust with the fictional material that makes you feel that way.
Now to the fundamental part of our disagreement.
You say:
but i also have the right to think its creators (and anyone who supports them) are disgusting people.
You absolutely do have this right. And I have the right to think you’re a judgemental person for thinking this way.
Let’s get this out of the way. I have no interest in games about nazis, unless its about shootin’ nazis. I fucking love shootin’ nazis. I embrace the power fantasy of world war 2 military escapist games and I love to play any character who gets to kill a lot of murdering, racist, ratbag scumsucking nazis. I do not support nazis, I hate nazis, and I especially hate people in this day and age who embrace white supremacist ideology, eugenics and racism of any kind.
However
I don’t think making or enjoying a fictional game about nazi furries sucking one another off necessarily makes you a nazi. It’s fiction. As long as it stays fiction, I don’t care.
Tell me about the real people who made the fiction.
–Are the people who made the fiction nazis?
–Are they on social media sharing racist dogwhistles, or white supremacist memes?
–Are they harassing people, or targeting jewish people?
–Are they queerbashing?
–are they posting ableist rhetoric and endorsing eugenics?
If any of those things is the case, then I absolutely join you in hating the creators and finding them disgusting.
But not for their fiction.
For the things they do in the real world, that really affect people.
Fiction is fiction. It is how you treat people that matters.
Maybe the people who made this game think that making a game about nazi furries sucking one another off really takes the piss out of nazis and makes them seem less scary and terrible.
Maybe they’re jewish people who have a nazi fetish (pretty common).
Maybe they’re villain fans who love the aesthetic of nazis, and just have really poor taste.
I don’t care why. It’s fiction.
I don’t care about the fiction they create, or the fiction they enjoy.
It doesn’t affect anybody.
I care about real actions that affect real people
I care about threats, I care about hate. I care about propaganda, I care about dogwhistle.
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