i.. didnt say anything about censorship? the art might have the right to exist, but i also have the right to think its creators (and anyone who supports them) are disgusting people.for example:there’s a game on steam called Furry Hitler. 50% nazi sympathy and 50% furry porn. i’m hoping i don’t have to explain the problem with this, or at the bare minimum the problem with profiting off of it.steam is chock full of disgusting games like this, so it’s unlikely to get taken down. i can’t censor it because i’m not steam.however, i think its creators are disgusting people exploiting a real genocide for a furry porn game, and anyone who supports the game or its creators are not people i want to be friendly with.i can both be anti-harassment/anti-censorship and think there are some things you just shouldn’t post and refuse to support creators or their supporters of that content.

by on January 15, 2023 at 5:44 pm
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context link for first part of this discussion.

Here’s the thing, anon, you and I disagree in a pretty fundamental way.

First I’ll address what you say about censorship. You specifically mention:

“steam is chock full of disgusting games like this, so it’s unlikely to get taken down. i can’t censor it because i’m not steam.”

That makes it sound like if you personally were in a position of power to remove this game, you would do it.

That’s pretty pro-censorship, and you say explicitly that it’s your disgust with the fictional material that makes you feel that way.

Now to the fundamental part of our disagreement.

You say:

but i also have the right to think its creators (and anyone who supports them) are disgusting people.

You absolutely do have this right. And I have the right to think you’re a judgemental person for thinking this way.

Let’s get this out of the way. I have no interest in games about nazis, unless its about shootin’ nazis. I fucking love shootin’ nazis. I embrace the power fantasy of world war 2 military escapist games and I love to play any character who gets to kill a lot of murdering, racist, ratbag scumsucking nazis. I do not support nazis, I hate nazis, and I especially hate people in this day and age who embrace white supremacist ideology, eugenics and racism of any kind.

However

I don’t think making or enjoying a fictional game about nazi furries sucking one another off necessarily makes you a nazi. It’s fiction. As long as it stays fiction, I don’t care.

Tell me about the real people who made the fiction.

–Are the people who made the fiction nazis?

–Are they on social media sharing racist dogwhistles, or white supremacist memes?

–Are they harassing people, or targeting jewish people?

–Are they queerbashing?

–are they posting ableist rhetoric and endorsing eugenics?

If any of those things is the case, then I absolutely join you in hating the creators and finding them disgusting.

But not for their fiction.

For the things they do in the real world, that really affect people.

Fiction is fiction. It is how you treat people that matters.

Maybe the people who made this game think that making a game about nazi furries sucking one another off really takes the piss out of nazis and makes them seem less scary and terrible.

Maybe they’re jewish people who have a nazi fetish (pretty common).

Maybe they’re villain fans who love the aesthetic of nazis, and just have really poor taste.

I don’t care why. It’s fiction.

I don’t care about the fiction they create, or the fiction they enjoy.

It doesn’t affect anybody.

I care about real actions that affect real people

I care about threats, I care about hate. I care about propaganda, I care about dogwhistle.

I care about what you actually do and how you treat people.

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by on January 15, 2023 at 4:48 pm
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fromfiction:

What does someone mean when they say “I kin that character?”

Types and attributes of connections to fictional characters

The verb form of kin (to kin, kinning, etc) has become popular as a colloquial and nonspecific word that people sometimes use to describe a variety of different types of connections they may have to fiction characters. 

Because “kin” has become such a casual, nonspecific verb that can refer to many different things, it can be hard to tell just what kind of actual connection a person who says “I kin that character” means that they have. Therefore, it’s best not to make an assumption about what type of connection to a character someone means when they say that they “kin” them.

Below is a list of more detailed and specific terminology for types of connections to fictional characters that a person might be casually referring to when they say that they “kin” a character.

🔸 Face claim: This is the most casual type of voluntary connection someone might be referring to when they say they “kin” someone. “Face claim” refers to any time you make the decision to deliberately portray yourself as a fictional character in a casual way, for instance, using their face for your icons, or asking people to refer to you as the character’s name. This is a casual, for fun association because you like the character and want to be thought of as them. Think of it like putting on a mask or a costume, and then hanging around in it. There is nothing wrong with having faceclaims, however this type of connection is also sometimes referred to as “kin for fun” when talking about someone who doesn’t understand the serious distinction between a face claim and a kintype.

Face Claim Attributes: voluntary, casual, for fun, play, self-identity, does not involve plurality

🔸Comfort Character: A comfort character is a character that you are attached to, who brings you joy, comfort, or peace to think about and spend time with their media. A comfort character is like a favorite teddy bear, or doll that you play with, but instead of a physical toy, it’s the concept of a particular fictional character.

Attributes: voluntary or involuntary, for fun or serious, for mental health, play, casual or intense, psychological, not a self-identity, does not involve plurality

🔸Fictional Other: (also written as F/O) A fictional other is any character that you consider yourself to be in a romantic relationship with. This relationship can be more serious, or more for fun depending on the individual. Some people have Fictional Others who are also soulbonds or other fictives, but most are not, and are closer to a specific type of comfort character. A person who has a fictional other or multiple fictional others is called a “self shipper”.

Attributes: voluntary,  casual or intense, for fun or serious, psychological or spiritual, not a self-identity, sometimes involves plurality

🔸Copinglink: A copinglink is a serious personal identity as a specific fictional character or member of a fictional species established and maintained deliberately for the purpose of personal mental health, self improvement or self-esteem. A person intentionally considers themselves to literally psychologically be and exist as their copinglink character for the purpose of coping with trauma or other negative emotions. The way this identity is expressed is similar to a kintype, but is voluntary rather than involuntary.

Attributes: voluntary, intense, serious, psychological, for mental health, self-identity, does not involve plurality

🔸Hearttype: A character that you identify strongly with, but do not identify as. A character you feel like you have a lot internally, emotionally, psychologically, or situationally with. A character you intensely feel personal commonality of some kind with. 

Attributes: intense, voluntary or involuntary, serious or casual, psychological or spiritual, not a self-identity, does not involve plurality

🔸Fictive: Any member of a type of plural system who identifies as/believes themselves to be/shares a personal identity with a specific character.

Attributes: intense, voluntary or involuntary, serious, part of a plural identity, psychological or spiritual

🔸Fictional Introject: A fictive member specifically of a DID (dissociative identity disorder) based system.

Attributes: intense, involuntary, serious, part of a plural identity, psychological, mental health related

🔸Soulbond: A specific type of spiritually oriented fictive, believed to involve a metaphysical and emotional bond between the soulbonder and the soulbond. 

Attributes: intense, voluntary or involuntary, serious, spiritual, can be part of a plural identity 

🔸Kintype (general): A kintype is an involuntary, deeply rooted core self-identity, typically questioned deduced through self-reflection. A serious personal identity that you have discovered yourself to be in some way. You literally are, or share this identity with the character. That’s you in some real and meaningful way, whether spiritually or psychologically. 

Attributes: intense, involuntary, serious, spiritual or psychological, does not involve plurality, self-identity

🔸Kintype (psychological): A kintype you believe you have due to personal psychological reasons. A kintype you believe originates in your brain and internal psychological development, rather than on exterior magical or spiritual forces.

Attributes: intense, involuntary, serious, psychological, self-identity, does not involve plurality

🔸Kintype (spiritual/metaphysical): A kintype you believe originates through some magical or spiritual process, often involving reincarnation or parallel lives in other universes. 

Attributes: intense, involuntary, serious, spiritual, self-identity, does not involve plurality

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hi, i’ve been reading some of the recent posts answering asks about fictionkin, and i wanted to ask something as well.before i found out what fictionkin and otherkin is, i was familiar with a community on the internet that used “kin” as a verb and just said they kinned certain characters because they highly relate to them. i want to know if that is an acceptable thing to do, because i got used to using terms like “kinnie” and i’ve seen a lot of fictionkin say they dislike that term and the use of “kin” as a verb.so my question is, is it okay to say you kin a character because you deeply relate to their actions/personality/trauma, not necessarily because you think you are the character? and use the term “kin” to refer to those characters? and if so, how high should your level of connection to the character be to use the term, because there are some characters where i only feel that we have the same trauma, while the rest of our character is mostly different.

by on January 15, 2023 at 4:48 pm
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Hi anon!

First off, I want to say that I cannot tell you how to identify, or what words to use.

You should always use the words that you find most meaningful to describe yourself and your experiences. Your comfort with yourself, and your feelings about how you identify always over-ride how other people feel about the words you use to describe yourself.

That said, I am one of the fictionkin who’d prefer people not use “kinnie” or “kinning” or refer to themselves as “kin” to mean that they deeply relate to a character.

I want to be clear that I ONLY feel this way because people outside the community seeing people use “kin/kinnie/kinning” that way distorts the perception of what being kin is outside the community, and makes it harder for me to explain what I mean when I say that I’m fictionkin.

The feeling in the broad fictionkin community is that someone should call themselves kin when they believe that they really, experientially are in some way that character. Kin is something you are, not something you relate to.

The word that the fictionkin and alterhuman community at large uses to refer to the type of connection you’re talking about is: hearttype, though copinglink, faceclaim, or comfort character might also be correct under certain circumstances.

🔸Hearttype: A character that you identify strongly with, but do not identify as. A character you feel like you have a lot internally, emotionally, psychologically, or situationally with. A character you intensely feel personal commonality of some kind with. 

Again, you should use the words that are meaningful to you to describe yourself, and I can’t tell you how to identify or what words to use. But as originally created, the term ‘kin’ (whether fictionkin or otherkin) means something you are in your core being.

You can read more about different terms for different ways to relate to fictional characters in this post which I’m also about to reblog!

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Re: “fiction doesn’t affect reality” idk if there’s a word for this type of behavior, but back when this all started, antis had all kinds of arguments and bullshit takes about things like “condoning fictional child porn/partaking in ageplay + CGL is going to condition someone to get sexually aroused when exposed to childlike behavior and therefore become a pedophile” or the age old “violent media makes a person more violent and aggressive” and pro-ship arguments to these takes were “no, it doesn’t work like that, fiction doesn’t affect reality”. There was That One Post that specifically talked about Jaws and the panic in incited and pros brought up that Jaws didn’t give people a fear of sharks- it preyed upon the preexisting fear of sharks that lived in the public conscious’ head due to recent shark attacks. Over time, antis acted as though all these nuanced counter arguments to their shitty takes just boiled down “fiction doesn’t affect reality” and have twisted the context of the original counter argument, striping it of its nuance, and now you have antis acting as though they’re the ones who have believed that “fiction can affect reality because it can act as a mirror to the sociopolitical standards/themes of the time/a reflection of the author’s beliefs and obviously a proshitter’s beliefs are pedophila and incest.” Basically they took our own words, twisted them around/recontextualized them and have claimed them as their own. But “fiction doesn’t affect reality” was NOT an anti talking point at the start of shipping discourse; they argued vehemently against it and all their arguments just sounded like the Satanic Panic 2.0, with Satan being replaced with Problematic Shipping/Media.

by on January 15, 2023 at 4:36 pm
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idk if there’s a word for this type of behavior,

I’d call it “bullshit” but its also definitely “moving the goalposts.”

Typical fancop behavior.

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