Alright, I’ll answer in good faith here, because i really appreciate not picking a fight or an argument
First off, please, don’t say , “you like proships” proship doesn’t mean “problematic ships”, it means “pro” (as in favor of) shipping, that is to say, it’s an anti harassment stance on letting people do whatever they want, based off the old fandom saying “ship and let ship”
you dont need to like problematic ships to be proship, you just need to be against harassment of people who enjoy darker or more ‘edgy’ media, and that’s it
As for you question in itself, it’s complicated, some problematic ships i enjoy stem from my own trauma and family issues, particularly my abusive mother. Reading and making content with parental !ncest gives me comfort through the fact that its an inconditional , codependent love. In fiction it feels comforting, but i know reality is way different first hand.
For age gap ships, theres a whole aspect about having someone take care of you, and also again, love regardless of situation, plus there is self insertion as it makes me think of back when i was a teen and had crushes on older people. I couldn’t act on them, and I knew that any adult willing to date a child is no good. But within fiction,you can write about it and it would be harmless, generally speaking
For dead dove or more problematic stuff,such as abusive relationships, theres again the desire for love no matter what, and the situations those develop in, are usually trauma bonding for the involved characters
Now, these are not the ONLY reasons i enjoy such ships. There’s also the aspect that i just like some of them aesthetically, or i see their chemistry in a romantic light, Or i have a streak of sadism towards a certain character.
Another reason is the potential for interesting fan content, particularly fanfiction, wholesome ships are sweet and cute and can be hot even, but it’s all very by the book. The exploration of their emotions, thoughts and actions in messed up situations is more interesting to me
For sibling !ncest particularly, i just feel that they’re usually developed in such a way that it can easily be seen as romantic, since we spend so much time with them, and seeing them fight and bond and laugh and promise to be together, that it just clicks different
and, It’s understandable that you feel nauseated and grossed out by a lot of these, in fact, there are problematic ships and tropes i hate and despise, despite the fact that i love other messed up content for example
– I hate bully/victim ships
– I hate uncle/niece ships
– I hate cheating stories
– I hate forced feminization
– I dislike enemies to lovers
– I dislike anything involving characters I consider too young
– I dislike vomit and sick fic
a lot of people love these! but i dont! some of them make my skin crawl! but i dont go and yell at them, i dont comment on their things, I just block them and move on, and focus on the stuff i DO like ,which is what i generally suggest
Fictional exploration of darker stories is okay, and generally harmless. I know the argument that it can be used to gr00m people, but truly, that’s not the fault of the content or its creator, the blame is fully on the gr00mer.
Also, if we started banning or bashing things that can be used to gr00m others, we’d have to ban stuff like plushies, candy, adult collectionists of cartoon merch, comics, books,etc etc
ANYTHING can be used to gr00m a person, if there’s a gr00mer targeting them. nothing is safe if there’s an actual pro contact ped0phile with the intention to gr00m a child. The only way to prevent these things is to be taught about them, and to learn to not take life advice from fanfiction, which should be a given.
Like seriously, think about it. let’s see, a safe hobby, non fandom related….
okay, imagine theres a minor who’s very interested in learning about history and historical maps of the world.
This kid joins an unsupervised group online, and talks about wanting to make friends, and does make some nice, age appropriate friends
They feel generally safe online
Then,a gr00mer targets them, befriends them and brings up the fact that they collect maps, and they love history just like the kid.
then moves into talking about ‘old customs’ and starts planting the idea that old societies were in the right about child marriage and so on, until they actually gets what they want, and commits a crime.
The gr00mer didn’t need a fanfic to convince the kid
they just needed to manipulate the child into trusting them, using whatever the kid liked.
who do you think it’s at fault here?
the kid? the history book? the group? the internet? Nope.
It’s the gr00mer’s fault for targeting the child
and it’s the parent’s fault for not teaching online safety to their kid.
ok, i wasn’t gonna talk about this post, but i am bored and feel like arguing, so *rubs hands together* let’s do this
i forget which post, exactly, these comments were on, because it was a week ago (i think?) and i deleted them as soon as i took these screenshots, but it was about this whole incident
tldr: minor antis dig up an adult proshipper’s nsfw blog to shame them for being disgusting and “a pedophile,” nothing we haven’t seen before
let’s look at the first screenshot
first message is already on the offensive, which ain’t a good look. it’s very interesting how antis choose which words they want to use to gain sympathy or shame people into backing down (ex: “rape incest artist” and “bullying”)
i can’t say whether or not the person who made the call out post ever apologized, since i don’t check their account, but i don’t really think it matters. the damage is done. if they did apologize, then that’s great, and even better if they learned something — hopefully they’ll think twice before slandering someone for the crime of being kinky in private in the future
saying that i am bullying someone by screenshoting a single one of their public posts is rather disingenuous and hostile. bullying is repeated harassment, neither of which i did. it’s not harassment to put someone’s name next to something they said and point out how stupid it was
(shouldn’t have to say this, but if you follow me and you do harass people on anon, you can unfollow me, i don’t support that shit and i never will)
anyway, continuing with the aggressive language, i just think that saying “you have no humanity left at all” is very cute. this is an example of an ad hominem — a logical fallacy that occurs when you attack someone’s character, rather than their argument. that’s most of what this individual does
this is a weak argument, but slightly above insulting me, so i’ll address it — i never said that the nsfw blog has five followers, just that their posts get an average of five notes. which is true. their kinktober posts were getting six notes, seven, three, four, etc. none of their usual posts (that i saw) even broke into 10 fucking notes. making a call out post “warning” people of this, is rather like calling the fire department on a candle
i admit that i don’t know how many people interacting with these posts are children/minors, and i don’t care. not my kids, not my job to police the content they consume. this argument is based on a hypothetical, anyway. there’s nothing saying that this person isn’t followed by exclusively adults. i’m not gonna argue semantics and “what if,"s so moving on
i don’t know if this person had a link to their nsfw account on their main, and i don’t care. they did everything right — they kept the nsfw content somewhere else, tagged it all correctly, put it under a read more link, even kept it out of the main tags like antis are always whinging about, and blocked minors who followed them. just admit you don’t want this content to exist at all, and go. maybe consider stopping by your local church while you’re at it — seems like that might me more your thing
ah, so the linking to their public blog is a recent development! hm, i wonder what could have inspired this change. perhaps a fandom-wide call out post that thrust their nsfw account into the limelight anyway??? lmao, what’s the fucking point after that?
if they were gonna see an uptick in views (again, a hypothetical argument), then that’s entirely on that minor who made the call out post, not the adult who kept their accounts separated
i’ve never said that i cared about children’s safety, lmao. i mean, i do, but in the sense that i believe in anti harassment and anti censorship towards everyone. this has never been a blog specifically for minors, and it never will be
again with using "bullying” as a buzzword. i didn’t leave them mean anons (people who do this, fucking stop) or stalk their accounts obsessively to gather dirt on them and unleash my swaths of minons upon their unsuspecting blogs. i made a single post calling them stupid for saying stupid shit — not gonna apologize for that. being a minor is not a “get out of jail free” card to escape from criticism
i delete all anti replies on my posts, don’t think you’re special, hun. i just don’t wanna hear it. y’all say the same thing over and over and over again, and there’s no point in debating it so why would i leave your comments up? make your own post, but don’t expect to come onto mine and say whatever fuck fuck shit you like
absolutely pitiful you live in this little echo chamber that’s genuinely convinced you that writing smut of fictional characters is tantamount to pedophilia, that people must be shamed out of whatever fetishes you personally don’t like, and that white knighting for some dumb kids makes you a better person
