“proship” is an ideology that means “ship and let ship”. It is the opposite of “antiship” which means “against shipping.” Normal fans sometimes use the term to refer to themselves, to make it clear that they do not harass other[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
blackheart-biohazards: If you are a person who: Has violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive thoughts Enjoys having violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive thoughts Enjoys fiction with violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive characters Creates fiction with violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive chacters[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
♦ It’s good to write fiction and make art about queer characters. ♦ It’s good to write romantic fiction and make romantic art about queer characters. ♦ It’s good to write sexual fiction and make sexual art about queer characters.[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Isn’t it funny how antis hold blorbo responsible for the atrocities blorbo committed when its YOUR blorbo? But THEIR blorbo is mysteriously perfect and unproblematic? –signed, a fellow fictive
Hi, anon. I understand that you’re going through a lot right now. The world is unfair, and it feels like there is very little in your life that you can actually control. I understand that lashing out, and saying cruel[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Just a reminder: ♦ Any content that is not against Tumblr’s TOS is allowed in the ‘main tag’ of a relevant fandom. ♦ It is not your duty or right to police the content of tumblr’s tags beyond what breaks[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“Proship” means you don’t believe people should be harassed, threatened or insulted for the fiction and art they create, even if you personally find what they’re making to be gross, upsetting or in some way immoral. “Proship” means you believe[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
We have seen people with familial F/Os, best friend F/Os and other platonic F/Os. We’ve also seen people say things like “i ship these two characters as friends” but that’s not how the term is commonly understood in fandom, and[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
👉 Creating or consuming fiction does not lead to taking action in the real world. 👉 Consuming fiction about things that are against your morals does not change your firmly held morals. 👉 Creating or enjoying fiction about immoral, taboo[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I love nasty ships! I love gross ships! I love toxic ships! I love villain ships! I love forbidden ships! I love taboo ships!
acediscowlng: sometimes it absolutely blows my mind that there are just subsets of fandom communities that just. do not know. how the pro anti/ship discourse started. like. they just do not know. that it was a ship war. it was[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Shipping Glossary het ship: A ship between a male character and a female character. OTP: One true pairing. Refers to the shippers prefered ship for the characters involved. self ship: A ship between a canon character and the shipper themselves,[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Different strokes for different folks is right. Everybody has a different interpertation. I like it that way. I hate the idea of seeing characters only from one perspective.
Being gross is fun and cool actually. You should try being less upright. Fiction is imaginary. It’s not real.
I feel you, fam, do not engage with any comments that you feel are sus. There’s no reason to. Also, would love to read this essay, but I’m a nosy guy.
There is no need to feel bad, anon. Shipping and fandom is for fun. You don’t have to participate in any part of fandom that doesn’t make you happy.
Yep. Up until The Voltron Discourse, and The Reylo Discourse after it, spicy ships were the norm. That’s because conflict is the core of good storytelling, and good storytelling is the key to an appealing ship.
i fucking hate proship/anti discourse because i feel like the fact that those words even exist is fucked up. it takes an issue (that people are drawing porn of underage characters and posting that shit on the internet) and turns[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“But what if a child sees this content?” This content is appropriate for, and within the rules of the platform that it was posted to. It is not my job to moderate the content of a site to a higher[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Um okay so, like, how old were you when you thought that was okay, and why do you feel like that was proshippers fault? You were ten? Uhuh. It’s not a writers fault that you personally can’t tell the difference[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
People of all types need to realize they will never be able to shove themselves in a box small enough to be accepted by the people who categorically hate them.
“fictional children can’t consent!!” Neither can fictional adults! They are fictional, they have no free will. They have no ability to give or revoke consent. They’re toys, they’re ideas. “fictional adults can consent if I write them consenting!” Sure. And[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Love will never be uncomplicated to me, love will never lack struggle, and darkness, and strife, and hurt. Because people will never lack struggle, and darkness, and strife, and hurt. Show me love that is nothing but simple, and easy,[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I shouldn’t be surprised that an anti generalizes “all proship fics are badly written” because they accidentally read one fic once. Generalizations based on personal feelings and single data points are antis whole bag.
Right? These antis are so out of touch with reality.
Speaking exclusively with regard to US law: I, an adult, am legally allowed to write whatever I damn well please. If I write sexual content, you, a child, are not legally allowed to look at it. Therefore my “pedophilic content”[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Antis can’t agree on what’s proship!
There is nothing wrong with enjoying: Queer ships Age gap ships Self insert ships Childhood friends to lovers Enemies to lovers Straight ships Ships with villains Shipcest Toxic or abusive ships Omegaverse Underage ships Adult x minor ships Any ships![…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Exactly, the problem is that people who hate things have learned that they can co-opt the language of morality and progressive politics in order to control people through shame. People might not listen to “you can’t ship that because I[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“fictional children can’t consent” I’m sorry I am still mad about this. Watching antis act like fictional characters on the page have some kind of free will, or rights that need to be protected is baffling and alarming. No characters[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Wow I love to see extremely racist purity wank first thing in the morning. “Fictional children can’t consent”. no one in fiction can consent, you dunce! Fictional characters do not have free will!
antishipping-positivity: Reminder that if you’re a proshipper, you need to… – Be ok with whitewashing/erasing identities – Be ok with nazi glorification – Be ok with people liking the idea of killing and maiming fictional proshippers – Not complain about[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Ship and let ship! 👉 Hate and harassment make fandom a toxic place for everyone. 👉 Hate and harassment decreases overall participation in fandom; it doesn’t just chase away people you don’t like. 👉 Hate and harassment discourages everyone from[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
✍️ Fiction does not equal morality. 🛑 Harassing others is never virtuous. 🏴☠️ Ship and let ship!
They described themselves as an anti because language is not clear and distinct, and the antiship side has distorted the meaning of proship and antiship so heavily that it can feel meaningless. According to extremist antis, “proship” means to them[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
To the anti who sent us an ask and didn’t want us to publish it for fear of being attacked by other antis: Thank you for being so reasonable, and I hope you achieve the goal that you told me[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Happy holidays, anon! I’m so happy that you’re blocking people you don’t want to see the content of and curating your own experience online; a core proship value! I’m sorry to hear about your unfortunate streak of authoritarianism, and hope[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I wish we could all go back to saying “x is implied to be a y” or “the subtext is that x is a y” instead of “x is y-coded”. The “coded” language is all just button pushing meant to[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Exactly. The person whose post we shared is getting absolutely dogpiled and its sad to see. Please, figure out who your friends are!
Once again, antis can’t agree on what does and doesn’t count as proship! I had no idea there were rpf/minecraft antis!
Antis, why do you care so much what sexual thoughts other people are having? Please understand you cannot police other people’s sexual thoughts and feelings without handing ammunition to the authoritarians who want to police all sex. When you police[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
proshippers: “maybe instead of sending hate, we could all just be nice to each other and block people and content we don’t want to see.” antis: “OMG how dare you say my right to tell people who annoy me that[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
imagine spamton and you slandering the proship/ ant anti/ comship tag because both of you know that proshippers suck and you want to slander them so badly Op, what do you think the word ‘slander’ means? Op, what do you[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
If you are a person who: Has violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive thoughts Enjoys having violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive thoughts Enjoys fiction with violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive characters Creates fiction with violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive chacters And[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
This assertion that antis like to parrot that proshippers “whole lives revolve around” their ships is a fascinating strawman. I feel like antis can’t conceptualize that life occurs offline, and your posting habits aren’t your “whole life”. Maybe it’s because[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I think mostly antis hear their conservative, eugenicist parents use the term and then parrot it back without considering the full implications. Yes, they want us all dead. But they don’t understand that they, sweet baby queers that most of[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Yet another anti who actually says out loud that they want to normalize bullying and harassment. Stay classy.
You cannot increase the agency of one group (children) by diminishing the agency of another group (adults). Censorship does not make children safer, because there is no safe authority to decide what is censored. Censorship takes away the tools of[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Thinking about tropes, and comfort, and self care, and squicks and triggers and blocking this morning, and how different they are for everyone. What’s comforting to one person, might be a squick or trigger to someone else, and vice versa.[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Antis stop deliberately misinterpreting and libeling proshippers challenge (impossible)
I totally get feeling embarrassed about it. A lot of our opinions about rpf formed when we were 16 in high school and one of the girls in our friend-circle wrote a lot of explicit smut about the band Good[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
To me this sounds like a case of the reader interpreting the text in a way other than the interpretation that the original author intended. Which is always totally fine. The author is “dead” after all. This is exactly the[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Children who deliberately violate their own boundaries and then cry that someone should have stopped them from being able to do so don’t get any sympathy from me. It’s like, do you want agency, or not? Why do you want[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Antis can’t accept that once something is out in the world, you have no control over how others perceive it or interact with it. Honestly it’s not just antis who act that way though, sometimes.
“if you are a proshipper I will actively hunt you for sport” What an extremely normal and not at all unhinged thing to say. (sarcasm)
No problem, pal. 😾🔪 here, it was my post specifically, so here’s the context. (I’ll try not to ramble). personal irl background: IRL in this lifetime, I/we were raised in a household where our father had significant paranoid delusions, primarily[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Thanks for taking the time to share your story, anon. Honestly, the sad thing is stuff like this happens all the time. Glad you got out of the toxic anti soup.
harassment is bad when you’re a borderline p3dophile you don’t deserve mercy or pity Child, you have to pick one. Also, not even ‘pedophiles’. Borderline pedophiles. Methinks you just have a lack of pity and mercy in your heart.
“That ship is disgusting!” Yeah? So is ranch on pizza, but you don’t see my sending death threats over it.
badmrkitty: im-a-pro-at-shipping: “Don’t tag as ship” is such a bizarre concept. Okay then maybe don’t share your art on the shipping website. Especially since there’s a way to turn off reblogs with tags- nobody is forcing you to look at[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
By “stop this cycle of abuse” you mean stop bullying and harassing people over their fiction and art, right? Right? Oh that’s not what you meant??
Dear antis: You can’t see into a writer’s mind, and you can’t know the intentions they had when writing something unless they state their intentions directly. When you read something and you feel like it is glamorizing, glorifying, or promoting[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
The funniest (and worst) thing I have seen is antis who write fiction involving sexual assault, but claim that its fine for them to write, but its bad for anyone who calls themselves proship to write because proshippers “romanticize” it.
marshemillow: What the fuck did I just say. Dude, AO3 already keeps CSEM out of its database. It’s not allowed. What more do you want? Did you even read my post? What special property does underage fiction have that violent[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Proship Misconceptions 🚫 Misconception: A “proship” is a ship that involves problematic content. 👍 Reality: Proship means supporting the rights of people to ship what they want. “Proship” is a label for the person doing the shipping, not for a[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
well now I’m curious what post you saw. But yeah that’s absolutely true. When you start bulling and harassing people that’s not okay for any reason.
Entitled people often seem to feel the right to demand that others produce content and works of art that conform to their personal desires.
And yet when you point this out to them they get SO MAD. If you don’t want people to group you with terfs, religious puritans, and fascists, don’t parrot their talking points.
Hey anon, it’s Harry. Thanks for sharing this with me. Honestly I can relate, personally, because I also prefer to write my own fucked up ships as sweet and happy. I enjoy a lot of shipcest, and I am ONLY[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I can say “hey maybe you shouldn’t accuse people who write fiction of promoting incest or pedophilia because making serious and harmful accusations equating fiction to real crime waters down the perceived severity of actual abuse” and antis will disagree[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Knowing that we were able to help somebody see this means a lot, anon. Thank you for reaching out to us. It helped a lot to read it today
“motherhood and pregnancy aren’t comparable to drawn pedophilia or rape or incest, though, are they? @eerie-entityy do you realize that what you have just said is that you think that some people’s trauma and triggers are not as important as[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Just because someone ships something doesn’t mean they believe that that relationship is healthy, ideal, desirable, or sustainable. People can ship things just because they’re interesting. Shipping something doesn’t mean you think its good or right. People don’t owe you[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
sekkyoshi: incestuous and pedophilic ships aren’t cool! All ships are cool. Shipcest and minor x adult ships have fascinating, twisted and exciting dynamics to explore in fiction. Not everything someone ships has to be healthy, desirable, or ideal. Ships don’t[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
What is triggering content? We talk a lot about how antis don’t seem to understand that the things that make them upset are comforting to some people, and the things that are comforting to them are upsetting and traumatic to[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“like the Lord intended” These motherfuckers aren’t even pretending it’s not about religious purity. They straight up want to censor content that goes against their faith.
marshemillow: king-of-general-disarray: lolipop-steve: lolipop-steve: Oh yeah, I just wanted to say that a child dating a person much older than them “once they turn 18” is grooming. This isn’t me misusing terms, that’s literally one way grooming happens You have[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
ATTN antis: No one cares that you hate proshippers. Your posts about how much you hate people with disgusting icky ships that are badwrong are entirely performative. Oh! Look how moral and pure you are! Oh! hating people over fiction[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Oof the discourse and infighting is hot and heavy tonight, I see. C’mon. Don’t tell people to kill themselves. Don’t threaten or harass people. It makes you no better than them. Write some angry violent vent fic and get it[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I gotta agree. If we agree that antis shouldn’t be making “jokes” about violence against proshippers, then there’s no way in hell we can be okay with jokes about violence against antis without being massive fucking hypocrites.
just-antithings: crimson-corviknight: just-antithings: 🙄🙄🙄🙄 Isn’t “ships don’t have to be canon, or even be something that could reasonably happen in canon, to be enjoyable and interesting” like, Shipping 101? unfortunately antis failed shipping 101 and are unwilling to retake it
Please remember: ♦ No person is sole arbiter of what is or isn’t disgusting, upsetting, triggering, or immoral. ♦ What you feel is wholesome and comforting can be disgusting, upsetting, triggering, or immoral to another person. ♦ There is no[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
100%, anon. The presence of vocal antis does nothing but make fandom worse and more difficult to participate in for everyone, even people who don’t consider themselves proship.
People need to understand competing access needs. Its perfectly normal for some people to want to avoid fictional material related to things that oppress or traumatize them, and perfectly normal for some traumatized or oppressed people to want to seek[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Our take is that it’s rude, but also fine. You are under no obligation to be nice to someone who is being an asshole to you.
Just antis constantly policing and judging their friends.
Exactly! Tags are a filing system, they are not a private, moderated space. If something is not banned from tumblr, then it is okay to put in any relevant tag.
Tags are for organizational purposes. Tags are not communities. If people don’t tag their problematic content with the main fandom tags, then it not only becomes unsearchable, it also becomes unfilterable. What if I hate undertale, and I don’t want[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Antis will look for ANY reason why its “okay” to bully someone they have a problem with.
Its another antiship strawman argument. They invent proshipper boogeymen that aren’t real, to fight against.
The problem is that antis don’t see harassing people as morally wrong. They see hurting proshippers as enacting righteous punishment upon them for the crime of having bad thoughts and creating art that inspires bad thoughts in others.
Absolutely agree, anon. It’s genuinely a shame when people are made to feel guilty over fiction.
cookie-crimes: Alright, I’ll answer in good faith here, because i really appreciate not picking a fight or an argument First off, please, don’t say , “you like proships” proship doesn’t mean “problematic ships”, it means “pro” (as in favor of)[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Let’s continue today’s theme of antis not agreeing what counts as proship. I like (hate) that this anti has decided that a voice actors twitter handle makes something ‘canon’.
Just some more antis not agreeing what proship is, and eating their own. Seems like it must be the day for it.
LOL what was I *just* saying? Half the antis out there are shocked that the other half considers them filthy proships.
This is actually a really fun topic because about half of the antis out there ARE against anything explicitly sexual, horny, kinky etc, and half of the antis are shocked to find out that these other antis exist. Of course,[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Sadly, most antis aren’t really looking to protect anyone. They’re looking for an ‘acceptable target’ to bully and harass that they don’t ave to feel bad about being mean too. And they’ve been told by society that accusing someone of[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…