even-more-pro-fiction-jellicle: antis-delete-your-blogs-pls-thx: beauspot: neil-gaiman: Here we are, 15 years on from that blog entry, and I still haven’t read any lolicon, I’m afraid, so I have no idea about its themes. The context was whether you should be sent to[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
profictionist: One thing (and trust me, theres more) i hate about antis is their hypocrisy towards different crimes “You can’t ship that! It’s illegal!!” Yeah and the guy who murders people is also illegal, but youre fine with shipping him[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
proship-bonanza: How hard is it for antis not to crosspost? Just going down the proship tag was enough for me to block three of them already. Again, for any anti that’s for some reason wandering on my blog or down[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
catgirl-catboy: Terms I wish this hell discourse would retire: Romanticized. (you’re using it wrong. Portrays in a positive light, or does not show the concequences are right there.) Illegal Ship (used Xenophobically 99% of the time.) Coded. (coding is intentionally[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
gloriousmonsters: keep seeing that post that’s like ‘anti positions are fascist and conservative but isn’t the problem ALSO…. that people are using FANDOM TERMS and reducing the issue to SHIPPING when there are important politics going on?’ like a) my[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Same views. I still haven’t read any lolicon, still firmly believe that people should not be imprisoned for creating drawings of things they imagine, even drawings you disapprove of. Still believe child pornography is an evil thing that should be[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
theliterarywolf: Fictional Characters Aren’t Real As Boring and Cliched as Ecchi Anime is, Its Existence is NOT the Cause of Society’s Ills Having a NOTP is Great. It’s FINE. Stop Harassing People Over It Having an OTP is Great. It’s FINE.[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
. Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
Right? if you place the blame for assault on someone for being desirable, rather than placing the blame on the person who committed assault, what the hell are you doing?? context link Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
Yep! It’s the “she wouldn’t have been sexually assaulted if she didn’t look so desirable” argument in disguise. Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
oneangstymotherfucker: Tw for vague csa/abuse mention Sometimes, yeah, I “get off to” the fics I write. And I definately like hearing that other people enjoy them, because I think everyone deserves things they enjoy and it truly makes me happy[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
vaguewaves: If you want to cut out the “don’t like don’t read” people completely, that’s fine, it’s just you miss a lot of info on how to avoid things you don’t like I don’t see a lot of antishippers talking[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
katoska: chelonianmobile: demongender-vibes: dreamspring: real don’t forget when they insist on a parent-child dynamic that’s not canon between two adults and act like you’re a criminal if you don’t view it that way #it’s one thing to have that as[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
vaguewaves: Why are comships seen as a natural grooming tool when most of us who have them are screaming “If you are uncomfy, leave. Block them, block tags, listen to warnings” from the rooftops? Doesn’t sound very compatible with grooming Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
brettdoesdiscourse: Just by the way, you can’t really call yourself proship if you tell others they can’t ship something because of a character’s canon sexual orientation. (Example: shipping a canonically lesbian character with a man.) If you acknowledge that fiction[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
catgirl-catboy: “Liking X ship makes you a proshipper” FALSE. It could also make you an extremely hypocritical anti whose head is so far up your ass that you think you are the only person on earth with morals. Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
They really can’t. Because they know actually defining what they mean takes it out of the realm of scare tactics. context link Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
anti-anti-otonokoji-twins: im gonna say it again loud and clear so everyone can hear. being disgusted, repulsed, squicked, or triggered by comship content (age gaps, incest, abusive or toxic relationships etc) is fine and normal. if antis try to make it[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
catgirl-catboy: Red flags that the person talking about proshippers does not know what they are talking about: (this applies to people on any side of this issue!) Proship is short for “problematic ships” The use of proship as a TYPE[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Writing prompt: What do you think was the commenter’s original perception of this post? How did that perception change with the added context of ‘proship’? Consider this user’s thought process and what preconceptions you think might have caused them to[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
fancops who say this don’t understand the concept of abusive, toxic, or neglectful parents. Trust me we have tried to explain. Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
splinnters: okay I might sound dumb for asking this but why do people have proshippers in their dni? I wasn’t quite sure what it meant so I googled it and it just says they’re people who don’t care what you[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
oh same here, very much same here. It is therapy for me at this point, fiction has helped me out a lot during the years 💕 Source: xxblackheartbiohazardsxx
People like to boil things down to their ‘simplest’ definition. The simplest definition also is the one that lacks nuance. Paraphilias are thoughts and feelings. If we believe that thoughts and feelings do not equate to harm, then we must[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
blackheart-biohazards: If you are a person who: Has violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive thoughts Enjoys having violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive thoughts Enjoys fiction with violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive characters Creates fiction with violent, abusive, harmful, or destructive chacters[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Honestly agree, and have been tagging #fandom wank a lot these days. We still use discourse in tags because we know a lot of people use that term to filter out posts they don’t want to see.
antishipping: Hey folks. I’ve been getting a LOT of asks like this, and I apologize for not answering them. I meant to make this post ages ago, but I kept putting it off which always lead me to forgetting about[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
It’s always okay to feel that something is: icky, gross, upsetting, disturbing, disgusting, repellant, triggering, nasty, weird, unsightly or in bad taste. What isn’t okay is: insulting that thing to it’s creators face, wishing violence on that thing’s creator and[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“Proship” means you don’t believe people should be harassed, threatened or insulted for the fiction and art they create, even if you personally find what they’re making to be gross, upsetting or in some way immoral. “Proship” means you believe[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I want every person involved in the debate about proship/antiship, censorship of fiction, harassment, art by traumatized and mentally ill people and what art constitutes “pedo shit” to please: watch this documentary about Henry Darger, or at least read up[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
things-antis-say: honestly, i don’t see proship as fandom drama. for me, this stance is an extension of my anti censorship beliefs in general. there’s so many different groups in the world who wants to control people, via thoughts and surveillance[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
dead-pidove-do-not-eat: “Liking taboo thing in fiction is FINE, but god forbid u make it SEXY and HORNY!!!” Not 2 be rude but what the fuck. Just because there are erotic elements and shit added doesn’t suddenly make people lose all[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Proship is a fandom term that means you don’t believe in harassing people who write fiction or create artwork that you don’t agree with. Basically “ship and let ship” and “don’t like, don’t read.” While this seems obvious to most[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
crunchybutter: People who are antiship do more harm to abuse victims then proshiper ever will. And that’s saying something because I don’t even like prohipers or there content. But at least they don’t go out of there way to harasses[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
That’s so fascinating, anon. It’s so strange when antis get attached to media that should by rights be the exact kind of thing they’re so stubbornly against. I hesitate to say it, but maybe they bully proshippers because they’re wrestling[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Don’t you think this is a strange and uncomfortable– even rude– question to ask someone out of the blue, anon? Why are you speculating about the kind of pornography we write? I’m feeling a bit sexually harassed.
Hi anon! Thanks for the question! ♦️ First off (and we will probably add this to our bio) “alter” is a strictly clinical term that applies specifically to members of a DID system or other plural system under a clinical[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
perfectlycrazydragon: blackheart-biohazards: perfectlycrazydragon: blackheart-biohazards: Congratulations on making your fandom smaller, and less fun for yourself. 🫤 You should probably just assume that everyone on the ‘fandom Qanon’ site is a proshipper, tbh. Can you clarify what you mean when you refer[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
perfectlycrazydragon: blackheart-biohazards: Congratulations on making your fandom smaller, and less fun for yourself. 🫤 You should probably just assume that everyone on the ‘fandom Qanon’ site is a proshipper, tbh. Can you clarify what you mean when you refer to AO3[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Honestly, thanks for yelling, and I’m glad you feel comfortable to yell here. This kind of shit is exactly what fancops are missing when they try to shut down and censor fiction, assuming that they know why and by whom[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
meairsa: blackheart-biohazards: meairsa: blackheart-biohazards: meairsa: i do wish there was a way to discuss taboo writings/art in predominantly fandom spaces without both sides of the argument getting defensive and screaming at each other like i think there could be a[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
👉 Creating or consuming fiction does not lead to taking action in the real world. 👉 Consuming fiction about things that are against your morals does not change your firmly held morals. 👉 Creating or enjoying fiction about immoral, taboo[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
meairsa: blackheart-biohazards: meairsa: i do wish there was a way to discuss taboo writings/art in predominantly fandom spaces without both sides of the argument getting defensive and screaming at each other like i think there could be a really interesting[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Yeah, the hypocrisy and lack of self evaluation from fanpol is wild.
Fancops think of blocking someone as a punishment on the person who they are blocking. That’s why they act like they’re being aggressed on when they find out someone has blocked them. They don’t relate to blocking someone as a[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Fancops will Equate reading and writing fiction with committing crimes Sexualize the reading habits of total strangers Write out violent and hateful threats against people they don’t know And wonder why people hate them so much.
pearlcaddy: ALT View on Twitter ALT View on Twitter ALT View on Twitter ALT View on Twitter ALT View on Twitter ALT View on Twitter ALT View on Twitter [Twitter thread by Angry Black Changeling that reads: Low-key think any[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
lameotello: I find it very interesting that antis are usually preoccupied with the shipping part of fandom. You’ll see fics and artwork that details torture and gore with “proship dni” on it. I’m not saying that those works don’t deserve[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
every fancop who spreads the lie that “proshippers are pedophiles” and that written fiction is “child porn” owes me $5 per incident.
“How would you feel if you were a fictional character and someone shipped you with a family member?” “How would you feel if your mom had aborted you as a fetus?” If these two stupid thought experiments sound the same[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
That sounds like a you problem, fam.
Being gross is fun and cool actually. You should try being less upright. Fiction is imaginary. It’s not real.
Fancops won’t let anybody do anything they don’t like. They very much have an “if you aren’t with us, you’re against us” mentality. I’m convinced that half the reason they accuse us of being pedos, dog fuckers etc, isn’t because[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Proshippers are the ones with normal attitudes toward fiction. I don’t know how to explain to antis that they are not normal for getting themselves all twisted up and panicked about the moral lives of, and harm done to, fictional[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
antiproshipping: blackheart-biohazards: Right? it always seems like “be critical of your interests” is code for “you’re not allowed to have fun”. It also feels super performative. Like jesus christ nobody should care. And the fact that people who say it[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Right? it always seems like “be critical of your interests” is code for “you’re not allowed to have fun”.
dead-boy-dont-eat: It’s a rather nuanced issue that I’m not very educated on, so take my words with a pinch of salt, but I’m inclined to think that these people generally have this issue for two reasons. 1) They do not[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Right? No relationship in reality is ever going to be perfectly balanced between two people. An imbalance of power in a relationship is not inherently abusive. People who abuse their power over someone else are abusive. That message got lost[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
It’s almost like when antis tell someone to “BE NORMAL!!” they are giving themselves away. Antis expect everyone to be “"normal”“: American Neureotypical (or neurodivergent only in a cute, not messay way) Able bodied Middle class financial resources Protestant or[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
marshemillow: You’ve gotta be kidding me. Again? I’ll have to look into it. Wouldn’t surprise me, in any case. Confirmation bias 101: If you NEVER believe stories that go against your narrative, but aren’t skeptical AT ALL of stories that[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
queerstampy: blackheart-biohazards: best thing a writer can do is make it clear that it’s not ok many ppl lack intelligence to part right from wrong so try and help them every author: tag your shit Somebody reblogged our post from[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
best thing a writer can do is make it clear that it’s not ok many ppl lack intelligence to part right from wrong so try and help them every author: tag your shit Somebody reblogged our post from the other[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Reminder to antis; your harassment of people who post artwork and writing that is perfectly within the rules of the site it’s posted to will never be anything aside from disgusting, bigoted bullying.
kawaii-pigeon: marshemillow: What, I’m not allowed to be annoyed that I’m constantly getting dehumanized by people? And I didn’t turn it into a huge thing, they outed someone’s main and made them hastily change their url to avoid getting harassed.[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
marshemillow: Dude, it’s called an analogy. Have you ever heard of one? Would you have prefered I use a fictional murderer to make my example? Way to miss the fucking point. Genuinely, I am literally asking for real here; Why[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“But what if a child sees this content?” This content is appropriate for, and within the rules of the platform that it was posted to. It is not my job to moderate the content of a site to a higher[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I’m guessing they are both young and either lying or being misleading!
People of all types need to realize they will never be able to shove themselves in a box small enough to be accepted by the people who categorically hate them.
People need to understand that pure fiction and rpf are two adjacent but different conversations.
starseverance: A lot of people who are anti-harassment, anti-censorship, SALS, kink tomato, etc, prefer not to use the term proship because it has certain connotations. That’s completely valid and also up to them. For anyone who would like to know,[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“fictional children can’t consent!!” Neither can fictional adults! They are fictional, they have no free will. They have no ability to give or revoke consent. They’re toys, they’re ideas. “fictional adults can consent if I write them consenting!” Sure. And[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I shouldn’t be surprised that an anti generalizes “all proship fics are badly written” because they accidentally read one fic once. Generalizations based on personal feelings and single data points are antis whole bag.
I’m dying. Help me, proshippers. This one has killed me.
marshemillow: blackheart-biohazards: All I hear is “science isn’t real if I think it’s icky!!!!” I think it’s okay to ship underage and shipcest. I think it’s okay to kill NPCs. I think it’s okay to write fiction. Huh. That wasn’t[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Right? These antis are so out of touch with reality.
All I hear is “science isn’t real if I think it’s icky!!!!”
Speaking exclusively with regard to US law: I, an adult, am legally allowed to write whatever I damn well please. If I write sexual content, you, a child, are not legally allowed to look at it. Therefore my “pedophilic content”[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
marshemillow: blackheart-biohazards: This is so staggeringly sad in ways I can’t currently articulate. “Yeah it’s totally okay to write to cope as long as you isolate yourself from everyone else and internalize everything and never seek validation from other victims!!!”[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
This is so staggeringly sad in ways I can’t currently articulate.
asterosian: A lot of what you’ve said is stuff I agree with! Like, harassment is useless and shitty, what disgusts you is not necessarily harmful, and there’s no practical way to prevent fiction that you feel romanticizes various form of[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
“fictional children can’t consent” I’m sorry I am still mad about this. Watching antis act like fictional characters on the page have some kind of free will, or rights that need to be protected is baffling and alarming. No characters[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Wow I love to see extremely racist purity wank first thing in the morning. “Fictional children can’t consent”. no one in fiction can consent, you dunce! Fictional characters do not have free will!
Been there, done that. Won the experiment. ^_^ –🌀😎
rwbwby: but seriously if you see someone call themselves “proship” and you think “this person is a pedophile” without any other context, this is your sign to log off of social media. there is still time. social media is an[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
antishipping-positivity: Reminder that if you’re a proshipper, you need to… – Be ok with whitewashing/erasing identities – Be ok with nazi glorification – Be ok with people liking the idea of killing and maiming fictional proshippers – Not complain about[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
I have seen a lot of antis use their issues as an excuse to abuse and control others, unfortunately. That’s what it always comes down to with antishipping; the desire to control the thoughts and actions of the people around[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Okay um like so…. Your brilliant solution completely ignores that people make fan content that people who consider themselves antiproship find objectionable. And then if you make that content, antis fly out of the woodwork to call you a “nasty[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
fuckingdisasterhonestly: Ive just seen an anti’s post saying that most people dont “jack off” to violence and gore and murder, and like, how innocent are they? Plenty of people “jack off” to that stuff. Have they never heard of ero-guro?[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
RIGHT???? Like let’s just start with the idea that they think it’s okay to abort using foreknowledge of any kind, which is basic eugenics. They we advance to the level where it’s “you know they will commit thoughtcrime.” Bitches have[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
profic-miku: LMFAO AJHGFSIUFGSIYFGSFDSGFIUDGF okay but this is like ADVANCED eugenics mindset. Holy shit.
I very much understand a person not wanting to support speech that they feel is hate-speech (racist, transphobic, homophobic jokes), and it is true that stand up comedy/telling jokes is a little different than creating fiction. However, if you believe[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
Happy holidays, anon! I’m so happy that you’re blocking people you don’t want to see the content of and curating your own experience online; a core proship value! I’m sorry to hear about your unfortunate streak of authoritarianism, and hope[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…
sl-ug: Genuinely, fuck you. This isn’t normal behavior. You have no evidence and you’re saying this to a csa survivor. And no, I do not have to validate any of my trauma or what I went through. I owe you[…]↓ Read the rest of this entry…